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Dave Darby's avatar

I’ve changed the title of the series / book, from 'The Commoners’ Manifesto: Why Marx Was Wrong', to 'The Commoners’ Manifesto: Neither Capitalism Nor Communism'.

After debating this with several people, I saw that I was being too harsh on old Karl.

The new title does the same job (shows that anti-capitalism doesn’t have to mean communism), without disrespecting Marx.

In his later writings, Marx moved away from the idea that societies have to go through a capitalist phase to achieve socialism. He studied indigenous communities and collective landholding (the mir system) in Russia, and said that Russia didn’t necessarily have to pass through full capitalist development, and that existing communal structures could potentially become a starting point for socialism, if linked to broader revolutionary change.

He saw that societies could use pre-existing communal or collective institutions as a foundation for socialism.

The problem for the West is that there are very few pre-existing communal or collective institutions, and community has been devastated. We have to rebuild it.

Also, Marx never explicitly said that seizing the state was unnecessary. In fact, in most of his canonical works, the seizure of state power is central to the transition from capitalism to socialism. His later writings just opened the possibility that socialism could arise in specific contexts (like Russia) through existing communal structures—but he didn’t negate the revolutionary role of the state entirely.

So his followers, for example Lenin, argued that the proletariat and peasantry could seize state power even in a largely agrarian society like Russia. He claimed that the existing communal and peasant structures (like the mir / village communes) could be used as building blocks for a socialist economy.

But we know where that led – which is what I’m arguing. I might well have agreed with Marx in his later years, but wherever Marxism has been implemented, it’s ended in authoritarianism.

With communism you eventually get Stalin; with capitalism you eventually get Trump. What a choice. In a commons world, people like that can’t get power.

If you’re a true Marxist, then accept that his accumulated wisdom in later years led him to be much more favourable to growing the commons in the cracks in capitalism than to seizing the state.

An economics professor has brought to my attention 3 books that describe the change in Marx’s views in later life:

'Marx at the Margins: On Nationalism, Ethnicity, and Non-Western Societies' and 'The Late Marx’s Revolutionary Roads' by Kevin B. Anderson

and

'Marx in the Anthropocene: Towards the Idea of Degrowth Communism' by Kohei Saito

and said: ‘I think that in considering mesoamerican, Incan and Indian commons was an abandonment of violence... he clearly did not see the proletarian organization as an organized force to overthrow the state by the end of his life... Anderson's book and Saito's are both references for this’

- So I’m very interested in having a look at what those authors are saying, and will change future articles accordingly. I’d be happy to talk with Marxists about Marx’s later views being much closer to building commons than violent overthrow of the state.

Richard Bergson's avatar

The restoration of the commons is for me a central aim for a world that is more at peace and intelligible to its populations. What this looks like in terms of structures is less easy to define and there are good arguments for not defining the shape of communities in advance save for agreeing a set of values that respects everyone and develops their sense of value and what it can contribute to their community.

The '-ism' trap you speak of is important. Clinging to a closed concept is always going to lead to diverging from real experience - Neo-classical economics is a prime example. In truth, few people without a power agenda are that wedded to an ism but ideas are powerful and speak to us in different ways. We get enthusiastic and want to proselytise and then later, if our minds remain open, we begin to question and form our own more sober version. It's not that the ideas are flawed - although they always are to some extent - it's more our need for certainty and to be saved.

Relationships are similar. There is the rapture phase when they can do no wrong, followed by the realisation that they are not perfect and quite irritating in some respects, and then the lifetime's work in learning to live with another and learning a lot about yourself in the process.

Materialism has its place. This world, this cosmos is all there is but do we see it all? What we see is real to us and many others but what is important is what we feel and how we connect with stuff that we can't see but which has an enormous effect on how we see the world, including what materialises out of our relationships.

The structures are important but are nothing without the love and trust of those that inhabit them.

Keep going - there are many of us who are pushing in this direction.

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